As I was posting my last entry on ‘trust issues’, I came across a comment that had somehow gotten lost in the wasteland of unmoderated comments. “Jack” was very articulate in raising concerns that seem to be shared by other gay readers, so I wanted to try to address some of the issues he raises:
Jack: Quite honestly, I truly question your motives. I think you truly want to reach out to gays and lesbians, and at some level, I believe that part. However, I always leave this blog and ones to similar to this wondering what outcome are you truly looking for. I see a lot of words revolving around reconciliation, understanding, bridging the gap and so on. But I am left wondering less about the process you are using and wondering MORE about what kind of outcome you are searching for? Is it your hope that you will befriend Gays and Lesbians in hopes that we will decide to become celibate and live chaste lives?
Wendy: These are the outcomes I pray for:
1. I hope that the conservative Christian community will be a safer place for gay people to be honest and open about their day-to-day realities and journey of faith. Some gay people might want to see a day when no one holds a conservative sexual ethic – but I think the reality is that there will always be people of faith who interpret Scripture in a manner that precludes same-sex sexual behaviour. The questions for me are, “How do those who do hold a conservative sexual ethic relate to gay people? How can motivations of fear, control, dominance, coercion, and hatred be confronted as being completely incompatible with the person and ministry of Jesus Christ? How can conservative Christians be helped to feel more comfortable and prepared to be in friendships with gay people – even though there may be points of disagreement that need to be navigated?”
So my hope is that Christians who continue to hold a conservative sexual ethic will do so on the basis of their own convictions birthed from prayer, study of Scripture, and a realistic connection and understanding of the realities of gay people – NOT from fear-based stereotypes of gay people, judgmental control, arrogance, or a sense of drivenness to “make the gay go away”.
My hope is that conservative Christians will engage people with respect, will speak up for issues of justice, and will navigate points of disagreement with humility and grace.
2. I hope, through the context of relationship with Christ-followers, that gay and lesbian people who are not believers would encounter the presence of Christ. I am unapologetically passionate about people coming to know and live in the reality of God’s love for them in Jesus Christ.
At the same time, if a gay person comes to Christ, they will, when the time is right (and that may not be for a long time), need to wrestle with Scripture and through prayer discern what God’s will is for them. In my pastoral connections, I regularly point people to resources like www.gaychristian.net where multiple perspectives are articulated. My perspective is that each individual needs to own what they believe – and then seek to live in a manner that is consistent with those beliefs. Some gay people will own a side B perspective – and many will own a side A perspective. I seek to leave that with God. For those who own a side B perspective, a commitment to celibacy often follows. Some find fulfillment and serenity in this decision. Others find over time that they move towards a side A perspective. Sometimes it is different than that – sometimes someone who was side A moves towards a side B perspective. In my years of connecting with people, I have encountered a lot of diversity in how people navigate their journey of faith - and I have learned to let go and let God be God.
3. I hope that those who are side B in theological perspective (conservative sexual ethic) would focus on shared love for Christ and a mutual commitment to grow in relationship with Christ with side A believers (gay affirming). My hope is that more Christians will recognize that God, through the Holy Spirit, is the one whose job it is to convict and challenge on issues of sin for any and all believers. And we all have sin issues that we're not dealing with. There are times that we are prompted by the Holy Spirit to speak a word in season – but this requires discernment, trust in the relationship, and an openness for someone to accept or reject what we have to offer. Growing in this kind of discernment is most fruitful when we err on the side of humility and waiting for God’s confirmation rather than leading with an anxiety-based agenda.
4. I hope to particularly encourage those individuals who experience same-gender attraction who embrace a side B perspective in their walk with Christ. For example, my post about ‘staying true to convictions’ was written to an person who is committed to a side B perspective. It was not written as manifesto on why every gay person should be side B.
5. I hope that we will be part of fostering a generous spaciousness within the Christian community. Part of that may be accepting that the issue of homosexuality is a disputable matter. Good Christians who love God and take the bible seriously do disagree on this topic. And we can still love and respect each other despite our disagreements. We can still acknowledge and honour each other’s faith and love for Christ. And we can, through relationship, come to a place where we do trust one another’s motives. I hope that part of seeking to foster a generous spaciousness means that people have the room and freedom to continue to explore and respond to the ways they belief God is leading them.
Jack: Is it your hope that you will befriend Gays and Lesbians in hopes that we will decide to become celibate and live chaste lives? If this is your ultimate goal then you might as well stop your efforts now. Why would gay and lesbians want to be a part of conservative/evangelical congregation where your presence would be only lukewarm at best? Why not attend an MCC Church or another liberal mainline congregation where the issue of homosexuality has long since been answered?
Wendy: The reality is that there are some gay and lesbian people who are choosing, on the basis of their own convictions, to live celibate lives. There are very few resources that are of much encouragement to them. Sometimes, this decision to live celibately is driven by fear and self-hatred. When we sense this, we always want to gently challenge them if that seems to be the dominant motivation. If someone is committed to living celibately, we want that to come from a place of security in God’s love and acceptance – not fear.
Some gay and lesbian people do want to be part of a evangelical/conservative congregation, for a variety of reasons, and if we can help that environment to be more welcoming through our writing, resources and teaching – then we hope that is honouring to Christ and helpful to gay people.
Let me be clear. We are not trying to convince side A individuals or institutions to shift towards a side B perspective. It would be quite audacious to think we could have that kind of influence – and completely out of touch with reality. If God is who he says he is, then we don’t have to worry about convincing anyone – that is his job. If our writings are some sort of catalyst for rethinking attitudes and perspectives – we entrust that to God. Any seeds sown are God’s business. Our prayer is consistently that we would not get in the way of what he is already doing.
Jack: It just seems to me that this blog and others are so condescending--even more so than the out and out gay haters like Phelps and his crowd. In some ways I think Evangelical Christians who are so (all of a sudden" surgary sweet) and nice are a cause for MORE concern. More of a concern because it seems that this "new approach" being used by some in the evangelical church is an attempt to engage gays and lesbians in conversation without truly looking for a different outcome than those who out and out publicly denounce homosexuality. To put it in easier terms it just seems like a "sneakier approach" with the same intent in mind. Sort of a "love the sinner hate the sin" dressed up in a pretty dress--it looks nicer and prettier but the message and the outcome is still the same.
Wendy: The last thing we want to be is condescending.
At the same time, I would challenge the notion that the only person who can be loving and respectful toward gay people is the person who fully embraces and affirms all aspects of gay life. I deeply love my gay friends - and they do view me as an ally of sorts. I don’t agree with them on every theological point. But I have all kinds of friends with whom I don’t agree on every theological point. We can still be friends who care for each other, respect each other, and encourage each other to grow in the faith. For my gay friends who are not followers of Jesus, I love and care for them the same I would any other friend who isn’t a believer.
If the only terms acceptable for authentic engagement are that we all have to agree on everything, what a fractured and divided and horribly disengaged society we would be. And if those are the only terms, then there really is very little hope that the gap between the gay community and conservative Christian community can be bridged – and that would be a tragedy.
I would hope that those who connect with us over the long haul would discern the significant difference between someone, like Phelps, who expresses overt hate, consigns people to hell for their orientation, is driven to eradicate gay people from society, and protests any fair and equal treatment – and our commitment to love gay people and to be part of a generous spaciousness.
Last thought, a number of gay people, who are understandably skeptical and cynical, have commented on my “sweetness”…. what you may not realize is the crap that I take for the generosity I seek to embody on this blog, through the resources we develop and the speaking that I do. While I understand the skepticism and the reality that trust is earned …. and I’m committed to walking this out long term and being patient while people watch and observe ….. I wouldn’t be completely honest if I didn’t say that sometimes it is hard to encounter the skepticism. I’m hardly a martyr …. But the truth is that it can be exhausting to try to stay present in the moderate middle. Being a bridge can be painful – especially when folks on both ends question your motives. But at the end of the day, I believe being a bridge, to the best of my ability, is what Christ has called me to – and so I lean on his grace in the confidence that he sees the integrity of my heart.
p.s. If you would like to read Jack's full comment, see it in the comment section here: http://btgproject.blogspot.com/2009/02/staying-true-to-convictions.html
Saturday, February 14, 2009
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Keep bridging. It is hard work and there isn't much thanks from either bank of the river, but the veiw is exceptional and unique.
Yes. And what's neat about what God is doing is that there are gay affirming Christians who value the building of bridges with those who disagree (and who probably will be disagreeing for a long time)...like you said, if we could only befriend those fellow Christians with whom we agree, who would have any friends at all? I've heard that no two people agree on everything, and I believe it. As the Master says, If we only love those who love us, what reward is there in that?
Wendy, you are walking a path that few choose to walk. Andy Marin comes to mind as another who is working to bridge the gap and sometimes gets grief from multiple directions. I've been blessed by some of your articles and pray for your ministry, that it may impact both society and the Body of Christ. Jeff
Thank you all for the encouragement. Here's to choosing to love - even when it's challenging!
Wendy,
Let me first say thank you for your response to my comments on your blog. I think I do have a better understanding of where you are coming from. I would still challenge you on your thoughts that its ok to disagree on "some theological points".
I am assuming that these theological disagreements are related to sexually active gays and lesbians. If this is the case, I am not sure how you can downplay this difference with your gay friends. To me, this says that:
" I love you as my friend but I don't think scripture mandates your ability to be in a relationship with a person of the same sex nor does scripture mandate your desire to consumate it."
TO ME thats more than just a simple disagreement on theological points. I am truly interested as to how your friends respond to that? Do you see where I am coming from?
For example :
*Would you, for instance, attend a same sex wedding?
*Would you support you gay friends adopting children?
*Would you support and/or attend the ordination of a gay or lesbian person who was in a faithful relationship with a person of the same sex?
I don't mean for these to be litmus tests but it would be helpful to understand more how you would feel on specific issues.
I guess in some ways I am trying to bridge the gap just as you are. Maybe we can continue our discussion in hopes of meeting at least halfway. I truly appreciate your efforts, it's just that I am not as convinced yet.
I look forward to your responses and hope you have a blessed day! Jack
I read your blog sometimes and others about similar topics, and i struggle with same sex attraction. I do not entirely understand the terminology of side A or B yet. What does that mean? I'm assuming B means someone believes a Christian who struggles with same sex attraction should not act on it.. and b is just the opposite?
Wendy,
I have experienced discrimination and a lack of acceptance from people who feel that the only way to live out SSA is in intimate relationships and that because I have choosen to remain married to my wife and try to be a father to my children that I am being a hypocrite. I find this kind of judgement to be extremely discouraging. I do not see the same level of acceptance in this kind of response as what you are describing towards your gay friends. Until I can see that the gay community is able to embrace this idea without judgement I will have a difficult time rejoicing for the relationships that they have choosen to develop for themselves.
Hello Kevin,
Sorry for any lack of clarity....
Side B is a conservative position believing that God does not affirm same-gender sexual behaviour.
Side A is a gay affirming position believing that God does bless monogamous same-sex relationships.
Hope that helps.
Hello Anonymous,
I believe it is courageous and demonstrative of deep commitment to God and one's vows to remain faithful to an opposite gender spouse even in the midst of the experience of same-gender attraction. I pray that God will bless and strengthen your commitments and the love within your marital relationship.
It can be discouraging to encounter a lack of understanding, an unwillingness to try to understand, assumptions, accusations of hypocrisy, and judgment. I'm sorry to hear that you have been encountering these realities - they are hard to deal with.
As believers, we are called to extend understanding, respect and love even when that is not what we are receiving. Change comes as followers of Jesus extend themselves in love for those who oppose us. His pervasive teaching on loving our enemies is at the heart of the gospel.
This can be extraordinarily difficult - especially when we feel under attack. That is why we need other followers of Jesus around us who do understand, who can support and encourage us as we seek to respond in yet again turning the other cheek.
I pray that God's lavish grace will encourage your heart and give you strength to reflect his love even in hostile environments.
Every blessing!
Wendy, I just found your blog tonight. I enjoyed reading both this post and your further comments to Jack, and appreciate much of what you said.
I sometimes think that one actually has to go through the struggle of building or maintaining a friendship with someone who holds certain theological differences to really appreciate the possibility. I know that I've been blessed in that I have managed to maintain a few relationship with some old college friends despite having not only come out as gay, but also having dedicated myself to a different, non-Christian tradition. My friends and I went through much of the agony you alluded to together and came out stronger as a result of it.
In many ways, I have thought that it was probably be easier for my friends and I to maintain those friendships because they were strong before things changed. Those relationships were already important enough to us that we were committed to keepng them going. I suspect it might be harder for people to build new friendships from scratch if those theological differences already exist. In that sense, I appreciate the efforts you're making in acting as a bridge, but I don't envy the difficulties it's sure to present to you.
Best wishes,
-- Jarred.
Thank you Jarred for stopping by and for your comments. I'm glad to hear that you and your friends have continued to invest in the relationship despite differences - and you are right in noting the advantage of a pre-existing relationship. Bridge building, I think, by necessity needs to be a funny mixture of idealism and realism. Hoping for the very best outcome but accepting and being content with limitations in reality. All of this requires grace - something you seem well versed in.
Hi Wendy, I'm in the UK and recently found this blog. I've only got as far as this one so far having read from quite far back, but I just wanted to say something at this point.
Each time I finish reading a post, I wish I could print it out and hand it to every person I meet - Christian and non, and let its wisdom sink in to change me too. I have posted one of them on my own blog - I really feel that the humble yet convicted stance you take on this issue, is the way forward for the way we should deal with every issue in a godly way.
I am a same-sex attracted Christian who has lived for 10 years with a side B conviction, but with great struggle and bitterness, and recently with great failure. Your blog has helped me to see that I chose a side B conviction (as you said) because of fear and self-hatred. That made it particularly hard for me when I failed. However, the grace and freedom with which you hold all convictions on the spectrum(and therefore 'failure' in a side B conviction) has meant that I have actually ended up back at side B, but now with the freedom of choosing it because I believe it's right, and that God would still love me just as much if I was side A.
The other upshot of this is that it has liberated me to love my gay side A friends well - something I have found so hard because of my fear and jealousy of their being able to 'have their cake and eat it'. I really feel like your ministry has set me free from a prison on so many levels.
I want to encourage you so much! I am committed to praying for you - especially that you will not be worn down by those who disagree with you. You are really about as front line as you can get, and I hope that on the days when this ministry gets you down, it will not diminish your sense of the powerful impact that God is having through you, in lives all over the world.
I thank God that you are so articulate - wording things just right that are this emotive is so important, and you do it so well.
Keep going my sister - I'll be holding you up in prayer.
SB
SB - I'm glad you've found BTG and am humbled that God has used our writings to encourage you. Yay God! An older saint who mentored me used to tell me that I should listen for "God's next best step".... that always helped me when I felt overwhelmed by the hugeness of the future in front of me. SB - take your next best step in living in God's love and discerning his will for you. I have found this to be a practical way to keep fear at bay - I don't need to be afraid of the next best step in front of me..... even though I might feel afraid of whether or not I can stay true to my convictions five years down the road. May you know the Lord's rich blessings and presence!
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