After jumping through hoops (thanks Anna for all your hard work!), we've made it onto Amazon to hopefully get the BTG dvd out far and wide :)
Please check out the link! If you haven't bought a copy yet - consider doing so from Amazon to get us up and running there.
If you've viewed the dvd would you consider doing two things for us?
1. Go to the amazon link and rate it
2. Type in a customer review
With thanks!
Wednesday, June 10, 2009
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Don't kid yourself, you don't have that many followers after they see through your thin veneer. Basically talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Despite your mission statement, you appear very much to be Empire driven. Being on both sides of the divide makes you hypocrital and wishy washy, while you condone side "A" on Gcn and call it bridging the gap, you make a foll of Gods true wish for a healthy sexuality in ones life.
I'm always amazed at the venomous words people are so willing to spew so long as they have the luxury of doing so from the safety of anonymity. That way, they don't have to take responsibility for or otherwise own their behavior.
Of course, the irony there is that such people are often the one's accusing gay people of that same kind of selfish refusal to take responsibility for their actions.
Congratulations on getting your DVD on Amazon, Wendy. I haven't watched it, so I can't give a review right now. (Would my review even be helpful?) I'm actually in the process of trying to decide if I'm willing to buy a copy, since I do want to watch it and it seems like buying a copy is the most likely way I'm ever going to get the opportunity.
Maybe what I need to do is find a good church I can donate the DVD to after I watch it.
To call someone's valid and respectful opinion "venemous", would suggest you have the same kind of oppression of freedom of speech, as well, if here was absolutely no valid perception to Wendy and new direction condoning the actions of the decision for homosexuality to live side a type of sexuality, is just befriending the exgay watch folk and the majority with our changing liberal times, she would rather join in the secular majority, then be trye to her heart felt "B" side beliefs, that could make the difference between heaven and hell for those she is gracious to, and claims she love. If saying, wishy washy is harmful, well, may God convict her as a leader to show her just how condoning she is of those friends she has that chooses to live in a same sex active relationship.
This brings great sadness to God as she befriends many, that stands with that sexual ethic, there is a reason for a divide, (abortion for instance?), if I take with I am guilty of a condoning asociation. Make know mistake, I am all for befriending gay folk in a welcoming gracious way, I have many gay friends, who want to stay in my life, and respect that I let them know, I believe their unhappiness is a result of sin.
Wendy, dances around that until it is so diluted that it would almost reflect she is in this field towork out her own sexual issues of some sort. Know one knows for sure, but it is not "venemous to speculate.
This Goes out to siethman's comment.
to be annonymous is an option, as many use pseudyms anyway? It is also away not to feel lyched or ganged up on for taking a different perspective, which you apparently are too defensive to hear.
God is also an angry God in the most righteous sense of the word when it comes to people leading others as well as trully caring over their eternity as he weeps for his many lost gay children he loves and understands, but they have a spiritual blindness, that others who are also blind want to lead them out of through just acting as jesus did. He was much nore then simply invitational.
He speaks as his fore fathers of "Gods righteous anger".
dialogue seems to divide and separate more then bring together, as Many who have crossed new direction left feeling, unhelped, for a variety of reasons. Being a little coporation amonst the church trying to help them "really love people to christ" actually means being involved in their messy lives, which may look God honoring on the surface, but all they really want from you is to condone and be interested in their sexual needs, wants and likes. Believe me, The Gay communities baseline is sex and sexuality, even if they go home, cook dinner, garden, and raise kids. It is a culture that looks for ways and has succeeded to take secular sexual fantasies and try to make it mainstrean and integrate that into our places of worship Gods holy places. The influence of side "A"s are huge, and the canadian Goverment decided in favor as it generates millions of dollars to mainstream it.
Anonymous:
I find it quite curious that you automatically assume I"m for the oppression of your freedom of speech simply because I expressed my own opinion that your words are venomous. Nowhere did I say that you should not be allowed to express your opinion. Or do you not support my freedom to express my opinion that your statements are venomous?
by all means, express away, the oppressive part was your chosen word "venemous" , which you were suggesting and equating to my personhood in your post. It was then ignorance on your part to suggest using annonymous in this blog or way to conceal my identity was cowardly. I still am less dramatic to suggestI am the venomous person who would accuse gays to take responsibility and consider their position doctrinely that may make a difference for their eternity. You did alot more accusing to support wendy and new directions, not giving a care whether others like myself have had some hard done by experiences by new directions. She did not have to post it, if it was venemous. Get a grip on other peoples experiences and pain before you run to any "feel good" defense.
Anonymous:
You will note that I never called you venomous. I called your words venomous -- an opinion to which I still hold. That is an important distinction, as you are not your words. I would encourage you not to take criticism of your words as a personal attack. This is especially true since you are more than willing to criticize the words and deeds of other people with whom you disagree. I assume you would not wish for them to take your criticisms of personal attacks on them.
It is entirely possible that you have indeed been hurt by Wendy and New Directions. After all, the former is only human and the latter is an organization run by humans. These things happen. However, making personal character attacks is neither a productive way of addressing one's grievances nor a healthy one.
Anonymous:
Critique is important and at New Direction we always want to hear people`s feedback, good or bad. We recognize that as a ministry filled with fallen human beings we are prone to error, and so we seek to connect with those who do not agree with us.
It is obvious from your post that you do not agree with many things that our ministry has done. That we accept, and we publish your comments because we wish to be transparent in our conversations here, not just posting those who agree with us.
However I believe that your behavior in these posts has been rude and reflects poorly on our Lord. Your first posting accused us of being Empire Driven (despite our mission statement) though you gave no reason why you thought this. You then proceeded to call us wishy washy, and hypocrites. I disagree with all of this very strongly, but respect your right to say it even though I do think that your delivery of it was very hostile and confrontational.
But as the conversation continued I think you crossed some important lines. First of all you made personal attacks on Wendy, speculating openly that the reason she disagrees with you is because of her own sexual issues. This was definitely hurtful and further was patently untrue. One of the things that I appreciate most about Wendy, is that unlike the majority of leaders in this type of ministry, myself included, she does not struggle with this issue. Despite that she is willing to personally put herself on the line, speak up for justice, and sacrifice to show God`s love to people who others have cast aside.
The fact is she has nothing to gain personally in this, and chooses to stick with it even when it costs her speaks to me highly of her integrity and obedience.
In later posts you then claimed that you have been wronged or hurt in some way by New Directions. If this is true then I am sorry for it, but there is a proper way to seek redress for that. Matthew 18 makes it clear that if you have a problem with someone you should go and talk to them. If you feel that as a ministry we have done you wrong, then please we would ask you to call or email us and set up a time that we can seek to work out the differences between us. Our contact information is available on our website.
In the meantime we will not publish any more comments in this argument. While we are open to hearing all sides we do require that people posting treat each other with respect.
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